It’s not every day that as a photojournalist and music fan in general, you get to interview a band that you’ve had the privilege of watching grow up, if you will. I was only introduced to these guys six months ago, when there were no record labels involved, there was hardly an album ready to record, and there was no guarantee about where the next show would be.
Six months later? Their full-length album is eagerly anticipated by fans and critics alike, a record label has scooped them out of obscurity, and there is no stopping Valencia. Without sounding trite or cliché, you should probably grab a copy of This Could Be A Possibility on October 25th, 2005 and catch Valencia every chance you get, because you’ll want to say you knew them when.
If you were a cereal box character, who would you be?
Henderson: Let’s see, I’d definitely be … oh man, that’s tough. I gotta think here … I think I’d be the Lucky Charms guy, because he spreads joy and cheer with rainbows. Who doesn’t like rainbows?
But isn’t that Santa Clause who spreads joy and cheer?
Henderson: Yeah, but the Lucky Charms guy does it with rainbows … and unicorns
Ciukurescu: [With no hesitation] Count Chocula.
Mind if I ask why?
Ciukurescu: Because vampires are sweet, and I’m really into chocolate.
In the VH1 movie about your band, who would play you guys?
Henderson: I would say that … I guess JD would be played by Brad Pitt. Or someone with muscles. I would be … the Sean Connery type of guy. Max; let’s see, who is a good Asian actor? Keanu Reeves would definite play Max, I can see it. Brendan; who is a heartthrob? Josh Hartnett, definitely.
Wow, you certainly know your heartthrobs to be pulling Josh Hartnett out like that – that was a little obscure, don’t you think?
Henderson: Well, I love the heartthrobs. George would be played by Carrot Top. Well you know, George is a little full of himself so I though I’d offer him a shot.
Ciukurescu: For me? Tom Cruise or Mel Gibson.
Really? Because you strike me as the Orlando Bloom type.
Ciukurescu: JD would probably be Arnold Schwarzenegger. Because he’s all about being in shape and Arnold is the muscle-man of the century. Brendan; I don’t know, oh man, I don’t know … Brendan and Shane are really hard … Max; Bruce lee, definitely.
Henderson: Anthony Michael Hall.
Anthony Michael Hall? Why’s that?
Ciukurescu: Because they’re both nerds! And [let’s] say Brendan can be Emilio Estevez. He’s really the Gordon Bombay of the band.
For you, why was it music?
Henderson: Well … music to me is like … it’s [always] there. It’s something I can fall back on when I have a really crappy day; it’s my release. I can have a shitty day, come back and play my guitar, and everything is perfect for me. It’s almost indescribable. I started out playing drums and I was horrible at it, and I saved up enough money to buy an electric guitar – this was when I was like 14, so I wasn’t working, I was just doing chores. I taught myself through the internet with tabs and listening to bands… but early on, my brothers sat me down and made me listen to good music – both of my brothers really instilled [in me] an appreciation for it.
Ciukurescu: Because it’s fun to do and it’s a good way to express yourself. And I’m not really good with that any other way … when we get together to write songs … it’s really cool. It’s something to feel good [about], and it makes other people feel good, so it makes me happy.
I know only from the Sacred Grounds scene that you have all been in a whole slew of different bands and lineups before Valencia was chosen … did you ever think that this would never happen?
Henderson: I always knew – I always surround myself with good musicians; I don’t waste my time … I’m not mean about it; but I’ve been really lucky. The bands I’ve been in have been really talented. I’ve always just been lucky enough to be in bands that have already had talent. When you’re in that kind of position, the caliber of songs that are going to come out is basically dependent on the amount of talent in the band.
Ciukurescu: I kind of feel like if we knew that we worked hard enough … we’re not really there yet, but we’re on our way. I always had this feeling that we work too hard to not get there. I’m really proud that Shane is in our band. When we got Max in our band, we already had a couple songs written and he ripped them about – he’s all about structure. And that’s when I realized that this was going to be really good and we were going to go somewhere.
The writing process, whether it’s collaborative or not, is still really personal, do you ever find it awkward to be sharing such intimate emotions with hundreds of strangers every night?
Henderson: Yeah, I do. Not gonna lie. But over time, I’ve just grown accustomed to it. The way it happens, I’ll write a song, and I just sing ‘em. And if [the guys] ask about it, I’ll tell them about it. I just throw it out there, and if they throw it back, you know… sometimes it’s weird, sometimes its not. I’m always passionate about whatever lyrics, though.
Ciukurescu: It’s not really that bad. For Shane, it’s probably really bad, because he writes all the lyrics.
What do you find to be the most frustrating part of being a successful band?
Henderson: You can’t please everybody. No matter what you do, you can’t please everybody; whether it is your family, friends, or your band in general. You always have to compromise to make it happen, and you do it if you love the people you’re with.
Ciukurescu: The most stressful thing is trying to have five people agree every time you try to do something. Even though we’re best friends, we still have different personalities and it’s tough to agree on everything. It’s always taken a lot of compromising and for some people it’s really hard to do. That’s probably the biggest issue with any band: making every person happy all the time.
Any regrets so far?
Henderson: Hell no – no regrets. No regrets at all. I don’t like to live with regrets.
Ciukurescu: Not yet. We’ll see in a couple years, how everything goes. Everything’s going really well right now, anything that could have gone wrong has been totally wiped out by all the good things that have happened, and it doesn’t even matter.
Forget 5 or 10 years from now, where can you see the band being in 6 to 9 months from now?
Henderson: Short term, I see us writing a new records. Hopefully [we’ll be] successful, and on tours where kids are coming out every night. 6-9 months is such a short time, but so long; it takes years to become what My Chemical Romance and Fall Out Boy has become – they’ve been playing since they were my age. I’m hoping that we’ll have an album that can jump start us. If not, oh well, at least we can say we tried.
Ciukurescu: Probably on tour; that’s pretty much what we’ll be doing. Hopefully we’ll be on big tours and playing for bigger crowds.
What do you absolutely love about all of this?
Henderson: Ha ha, that’s an easy question – I’m doing what I love. I’m getting to play music; that’s my childhood dream. That’s what’s incredible to me, is that I can do that.
Ciukurescu: I like playing shows, and have people watch me do stuff – it’s really cool that people want to talk to me for what were doing. And I feel like it’s brought me close to a lot of people because of what were doing. Not that I’m commanding respect, but I think it’s really cool that people listen to what we write and turn it into something of their own. Then they come to shows with that, and put that energy back in us, and all of that… seeing the energy at the shows and seeing people sing along; then you [know you] really reached somebody.
Henderson: I want to take it to the next level. I want to be in a successful band, I want to be in a position where music supports my life … I want to play guitar sing and record: all the things that make me happy.
Ciukurescu: I want to keep touring the country. I really want to go to California; I still have never been there. Hopefully, we can go somewhere like England … I want to keep getting as big as we can, and keep going places we never thought we could go. We went from not even having a trailer or van, and packing up three cars for a Friday night show … it keeps getting better; I want to go all over the world.
Photos by Allison Kennedy
Dreams and Devotion: An interview with Strung Out’s Jason Cruz
For Strung Out’s Jason Cruz, art is more than just the music he’s known for. It’s the dreams and emotions he writes and paints as well.
For almost 30 years, Jason Cruz has been synonymous with the art he’s been crafting. That art of course, is his work as songwriter and vocalist for Simi Valley melodic punk rock outfit Strung Out, who since 1990, have been writing hard-hitting, emotionally-charged music that became part of the wave that brought punk’s into the mainstream consciousness in the mid-1990s. Strung Out’s three albums of that decade, 1994’s Another Day in Paradise, 1996’s Suburban Teenage Wasteland Blues, and 1998’s Twisted By Design, proved to be the perfect answer to those who sought out the deeper underground of punk that bellowed below the surface of Green Day’s Dookie and Offspring’s Smash.
For many listeners like myself, Strung Out and many of their Fat Wreck Chords and Epitaph brethren meant a world of new music wrapped in the subcultures of skateboarding, surfing, punk attitudes, and a vibrant urgency that echoed sounds of rebellion and independence. While pop culture acceptance for just about any form of art and music seems fleeting, Strung Out have never wavered from what they do; now three decades into their history and nine albums deep into an ever-impressive catalog. Songs of Armor and Devotion is perhaps the band’s finest work since they first burst onto the scene. Composed, yet still breathing fire, its tracks still exhibits that “debut album energy” but comes with the benefit of the wisdom of touring, writing, and experiencing the world three decades over.
However, for Jason Cruz, art is more than just Strung Out. He has quietly and not so quietly been honing his craft as an artist and a painter, coming to light on a musical front by painting the cover art to his band’s 2011 “Best Of” album Top Contenders: The Best of Strung Out, and NOFX’s 2013 EP Stoke Extinguisher. But one look at the wide spectrum of art he’s painted and you can see that it’s more than just album covers. His painted work, like his music, seems to come from the same passion and emotion that drives his lyrics and songwriting. Now he embarks on a new chapter as a children’s book writer, taking inspiration from his daughter to write There Are Such Things As In Your Dreams, a bedtime story born in dreams.
We spoke to Cruz not long after the release of the band’s new album to talk about the long-lasting influence of Strung Out and to discuss his art and how they share the same creative head space. We also spoke about his upcoming art exhibit and his new book and the toll and triumphs of the tour cycle.
Congrats on Songs of Armor and Devotion. It’s stellar work; how do you all feel about the release and response to the record?
Cruz: I’m glad people are digging the tunes. I’m anxious to get em out on the road and see what they turn into. See if I can keep up with RJ. It feels like another new level to explore.
But you’ve been busy with a lot of projects- tell us a little bit about the children’s book you have written? It was inspired by your daughter?
Cruz: The book is called There Are Such Things As In Your Dreams and it’s basically a bedtime story. My daughter just spoke the title one day as we hangin’ out having one of our talks and it stuck. I thought it was the most beautiful thing she ever said.
What’s the story of the book?
Cruz: It is basically a bedtime story trying to explain to a kid what the hell dreams are and how cool they can be. How the adventures you dream at night can only pale to the ones that await you when you wake kinda thing.
How long did it take to write and create the book?
Cruz: I worked on the story, which is more like a poem, and all the illustrations for just over two years. Anywhere I could set up and draw. In between shows, on planes, at the desk at home, wherever. Once I told the kid I was gonna do this book she made sure to ride me pretty hard about getting it done so she could take it to school and read it to the class.
What’s the approach like writing the book in comparison to writing songs for a new Strung Out record?
Cruz: Pretty similar process I guess since they both involve rhythm, flow and the use of imagery and imagination. With a song, it’s a collaborative process. Each member adds an element to construct this thing. With the book, it was all me. Inventing as I went along until I had enough elements to unify the idea as a whole. It’s a lot harder flying blind like that. I guess I kept this first attempt as simple as possible for that reason.
Where can we buy the new book?
Cruz: All the usual modern day outlets like Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Book Baby. It will also be available on my site as well.
I’m looking at some of your art and I like how different the pieces are. For instance, the difference in emotion, style with pieces like “Choke”, “Rise & Fall”, and “Church Fix”. What are some of the things that inspire your art and what were some of the inspirations behind these pieces?
Cruz: Oh I guess just the love of doing is what really inspires me. To be an artist. To challenge myself. To learn my craft and grow. I could never stick to a certain style or look very long because I’m just too moody I guess. I need the freedom to move around and explore. Always trying ‘get it right’ whatever that means.
Is creating art a completely private and solo process for you?
Cruz: Completely. I guess that’s why it can be so maddening at times and so fulfilling at the same time. Like what nerve do I have to even attempt this?!?! What is this whole art thing?!?! Is this good?!?! And somewhere in between all that doubt, there is joy and fun. Problem solving and improvisation.
What are some of the things when looking back at this 20+ year career with Strung Out do you hold as the most important to you? Is it the records? The consistency with the work or the influence you’ve had for listeners around the globe?
Cruz: To be able to keep living my life in a such a way is all I can ever hope for. Making true connections. As long as I am a good person, as long as I am good to my muse and never take anything for granted and always be awake and alive I am grateful.
Is there one album you look back as particularly important to the band and yourself? Say one that you felt like thing were heading in the right direction?
Cruz: For me, I’d have to say it was the pseudo acoustic record we did called Black Out the Sky. That record was super important in our development as a band and as human beings. It kinda loosened any restraints we thought we had and really showed our fans and ourselves the possibilities of our union as a whole.
I’ve always loved Suburban Teenage and Twisted By Design because I think both records hit at the right time for me (I grew up in Indonesia and discovering your music was a big part in who I was and am); plus I learned that bands could hit hard just as much as they sang with emotion- but I think Songs of Armor and Devotion is very much in the same vein. What was the songwriting process like for Songs of Armor… and when did you guys start writing the record?
Cruz: It all happened really quick. Once we set aside the time to write and record we wasted no time and the ideas all came very fast and effortlessly – for the most part. We had a lot of ‘pent up‘ energy and angst I guess you say.
I love the song “Crows”- did you feel like it was a great stand-alone song- were there reasons why you didn’t want to put it on a record?
Cruz: Who knows? Looking back I don’t even remember. It seemed like it didn’t really fit anywhere but it was too good to just let go, so yeah, that song is kinda like a sad pretty little island.
You’ve got an exhibit coming up in October that will showcase your art and your new children’s book. Is the process of creating a new exhibit the same for you as say, planning an upcoming tour? What can we look forward to at the exhibit?
Cruz: Luckily I have help from some really great people. I’ll be painting up until the last minute so any and all help is greatly needed and appreciated. Along with the illustrations from the book I will also have on display a series of new oil paintings.
Steve Caballero is also part of the exhibit, was it a natural process working together with Steve on this? How did this come together?
Cruz: Steve is a blossoming artist and a great human being. I guess I just got extremely lucky on this one.
Strung Out have a North American tour coming up with The Casualties. How’s life on the road these days, are you guys all still enjoying being on the road?
Cruz: Ask me that on the last week of the tour and you’ll get a different answer than now.
I got to see you guys twice the last couple of times you were down in Australia; will we see you here sometime next year?
Cruz: Yes, I believe something big is in the works for Spring.
Do you have a road map for the next few years or are you happy with playing things as they come?
Cruz: It’s more a map of the ocean and I am chained to the wheel.
Jason Cruz’s Fine Art Exhibition and children’s book launch takes place Friday, October 25th, 2019 at the Copro Nason Gallery in Los Angeles. Tickets can be booked here. More information can be found on Jason Cruz’s official website. Strung Out’s new album, Songs of Armor and Devotion, is out now on Fat Wreck Chords.
All Work and All Play: An interview with The Drowns
The Drowns prove that having the right work ethic goes a long way
It’s been a busy year for Seattle punks The Drowns. The band, whose individual histories stretch back some 20 years, are a rough and tumble blend of street punk bravado and positive attitude that found its footing with their 2018 debut album View From the Bottom. With tours, festivals, and new music already checked off in 2019, The Drowns put the “work” in working class rock n’ roll with no rest in sight. Fresh off the release of a new 7″ titled The Sound, the band are prepping for their first ever Japanese tour in October and are working on their new full-length album due in the near future.
On top of the globe trotting, the band will take part in this year’s Rock The Ship Festival, their label’s annual punk rock escapade on the high seas, anchoring a lineup that includes noted bands like Cock Sparrer, CJ Ramone, and Subhumans. We spoke to vocalist Aaron Rev about the new 7″, the terrific street punk anthem “The Bricks of Ol’ Rainier”, and what they’re looking forward to next to cap off an already packed 2019.
I really enjoyed the new 7”- how has the reception been, and how are you guys feeling about these new songs?
Rev: Thanks, I’m glad you enjoyed it. So far, so good. The reception has been incredible. And we love the new songs. We just got back from a month and a half tour, and the new jams went over great.
It sounds like the band is very in tune right now and that things have continued to go strong since the debut album?
Rev: Totally. We also have a pretty intense work ethic, so right when we are finished with something we are already working on what’s next. Just keeping the ball rolling.
The songs on the new 7” SOUND amazing- where did you guys record and produce the record?
Rev: We working with our brother Jesse O’Donnell from the band Noi!se at his studio the Autopsy Room in beautiful Tacoma WA. Working with Jesse was great. He’s a great guy, and a great engineer. He’s really got an ear for this type of music, and he pours his heart in to it.
What’s the story behind “The Bricks of Ol’ Rainier”?
Rev: I live in the south end of Seattle. Years ago I moved to a neighborhood called Georgetown. It was incredible. Tons of artists living in a kind of shitty area, just for cheap rent so they could keep creating. When I’d first moved there, it really was one of the greatest points in my life. I was surrounded by incredible people who inspired me to create. But, we all started to see the gentrification coming, because nothing that great could last forever. The Georgetown neighborhood has a huge building in the middle of it called Rainier Cold Storage, where they used to make and store Rainier Beer. They ended up tearing part of the building down, and for me that symbolized the beginning of the end of what we had. When they were tearing it down, I broke in at night and stole some bricks for the old building, and when I have them around, they serve as reminders to carry the spirit of what we once had along with me wherever I go.
You’ve been playing a bunch of shows over the last few months- how have they been? How are these new songs translating to the live setting?
Rev: The shows have been CRAZY! We’ve gotten tons of support and a great reception to all of the new material. It was a killer tour.
For those who may not be familiar yet, share with us a little history of the Drowns.
Rev: We were all friends in different bands, and we’ve all been in the game for 15-20 years a piece. Our respective bands started to slow down, so we all decided to start a project together. Also, not many bands we knew of were playing the style we wanted to play. So we got together, started writing, and just haven’t stopped.
Are you guys splitting time between Seattle and LA?
Rev: Our drummer Jake lives in LA so we just fly him back and fourth to accommodate, and we head down there. With the internet, it’s surprisingly easy to keep a long distance band going these days.
Speaking of Seattle, I saw on your Twitter that some of you were at a Sounders game- is soccer the sport of choice for The Drowns?
Rev: Totally. Huge soccer fans. MLS and Premier League. Some of us are big hockey fans too.
It’s funny because I felt that “The Bricks of Ol’ Rainier” has that stadium anthem feel to it (at least in my head), that its a great song for thousands of people to sing together.
Rev: Hell ya. I’ve worked with the Sounders in the past with my old band. I’d live to have The Downs work with them. It’d be a perfect fit.
Pirates Press has been releasing some great music this year; you guys are in great company. What were some of the reasons for choosing Pirates Press as the new home for your music?
Rev: First and foremost, they are incredible people over there. You be hard pressed to find any other label active right now that gives a shit as much as they do. They are hands on, they are passionate, and they care about the bands, and the music, and the fans. They are truly a great example of how a label should be run.
You were at Punk Rock Bowling this year- how was it? It’s such a massive looking festival from the outside- Did you guys have fun?
Rev: It was KILLER! The lineup this year was insane. The setup of the festival this year was perfect. And, we were crazy surprised when we started playing at 3:30pm and right after we hit that opening chord and turned around, there was a sea of people! We felt so humbled by how many people cane to see us. It was insane.
Are there already plans for a new full-length to follow View From the Bottom? What are the plans for the rest of the year?
Rev: We are definitely always working. So you can bet that you’ll hear about new material soon. But for now, we are going to hit Europe and Japan later this year. And keep on moving.