Don’t let Hayley Williams’ age fool you. She may only be 16-years-old but when you hear her behind the mike, she sounds like a seasoned vocalist with incredible range. Williams is the voice of Paramore, a Tennessee based power rock/pop act fresh from releasing their debut album, All We Know Is Falling, on Fueled by Ramen. Armed with youth, Paramore are grabbing attention from coast to coast. They have already played the Vans Warped Tour and have shared the stage with the likes of Less Than Jake and Copeland- it is hard to believe that this band is just getting started.
Williams recently took some time to explain to Sound the Sirens the growing pains of being young and in a band, using youth to draw inspiration, and how life on the road for a young 16-year-old is really like.
At the age of 13, Paramore began to take shape. How did things come together from the eyes of a 13-year-old?
Williams: I met Josh and Zac at my school and we all became friends and learned that we shared the same passion. Back then, I guess we were all thinking, after school we’ll go to the house and practice. It was what we loved to do for fun, and still do! I don’t think any of us really knew this would turn out to be what it’s become.
Did you grow up taking voice lessons and were you involved in musical projects in some capacity?
Williams: I started taking lessons from Brett Manning, the best in the world, around the time that I moved to Franklin [Tennessee]. Growing up, I did the normal stuff like school plays and little things like that.
Who were some of the musicians/artists you looked up to?
Williams: [Laughter] *NSync! I also loved The Temptations. I actually listened to a lot of soul and R&B music before I got into the type of music that we play. It’s good stuff.
You are 16-years young and have incredible vocal range.
Williams: I don’t know … I mean, I get comments about it quite a lot but I think the biggest asset I have, and that all of us have in the band is each other. We are each other’s biggest assets.
Your developing voice, how hard is it to deal with?
Williams: My voice developed pretty quickly into what it is now. Even though it will most likely become more mature sounding I won’t have to worry about it cracking or anything close to what a lot of young guys have to deal with. That would be embarrassing.
Where do you draw your inspiration when writing lyrics?
Williams: Just life. Things that happen to me or the people I love. I actually think being young is inspiration in itself for our band. We are learning a lot of things for the first time and all kinds of emotions come from learning. They are important emotions to express and I think a lot of people can relate to the honesty.
Do you ever feel you are missing out on every day 16-year-old things? You have to wonder what some of your life would be like if you were attending high school everyday.
Williams: I don’t think I would do well in public high school- with all the drama, the social ranking and everything. We all miss home sometimes and wonder what we’d be doing if we weren’t sitting in a van traveling to the next venue, but at the same time, some kid might be sitting in class wondering how it would be to be sitting in a van traveling to the next venue. We are all doing what we love and don’t regret any of it.
Are you furthering your education at all or is it all strictly music right now?
Williams: Yes, both Zac and I are doing an over the internet home school program. We just started this school year, so hopefully it won’t get to stressful.
What is the road life like for a 16-year old girl touring the country and playing shows night after night?
Williams: The greatest gift and most wonderful opportunity anyone could ask for. It’s like a dream. Not to say that it’s never hard, but it’s wonderful.
But is it tough being the only girl in a band full of guys?
Williams: There are tough moments, as with anything, but I always know that the guys are my best friends in the world. They are extremely patient with me when I act like a bratty little girl, and for that I am eternally indebted. We all love each other.
I’ve noticed that some people are lumping you into a category with Avril Lavigne and Ashlee Simpson- a gimmick type band on a punk label like Fueled by Ramen. Does that bother you at all?
Williams: Yeah it does, but people love hearing themselves talk and everyone knows that. So we all just try to be patient with it and understand that not every part of this job is awesome. If people want to know us and get the truth about us, they’ll come to see us play and get the truth.
And your personal opinions on artists like Ashlee and Avril?
Williams: Well, they do their thing and if that’s working for them why should they change?
Significant advantages or disadvantages to being a female artist in a rock band?
Williams: Even though in reality we are a female fronted rock band, we all see this as a regular band and nothing else. I think because of that we rid ourselves of the limitations we may otherwise have.
We all hear about the groupies flocking over the boy bands but what about for you, do the boys go nuts for you and what is that like for you getting that type of attention night after night?
Williams: We aren’t The Beatles or anything, but the people who come out to our shows are dedicated and are always so much fun to be around. Most of the people coming out to the shows seem much more interested in the music and what we do, rather than what I’m wearing and how I look … and that’s such a great feeling for all of us.
Over the summer, your band released its debut full-length album, All We Know Is Falling. What was the recording process like the first time around for you?
Williams: We learned a ton. We recorded demos in Nashville before, the ones that John Janick [founder of Fueled by Ramen] heard, so we had an idea of what it would be like and how it would go. But working with such amazing producers like James Wisner and Mike Green had a lot to do with how much we grew as a band during the recording process of this record.
Does the album have a personal side to it that relates to your life experiences?
Williams: Of course. Our songs can’t help but reflect all the things we go through. The first song on the record, “All We Know,” was written in our rehearsal space in Orlando just two days after Jeremy, our original bass player left us. That song is one of the most obvious songs on the record. It’s like a letter to Jeremy telling him that we’ll never forget him. The whole record has little stories like that.
What is your writing process like? Do you sit down and just write songs whenever you feel like it or what?
Williams: Josh pretty much always initiates the writing of a song. He comes up with such great stuff. How we normally like to do it is he will have music and sometimes a lyric idea or a vocal line, and he’ll bring it to me. From there, I come up with more words and melodic ideas and we just build off of each other. We think a lot alike, but have different strengths. I think we make a really good team. After that we bring what we have to the rest of the guys and work out arrangements, transitions, intros or outros. It’s worked great so far.
Where do you see your future in music heading to?
Williams: What I do as an individual depends on Paramore. Paramore is something we’ve all committed to. Who knows where this next year or two will take us. Whether we are playing clubs for a couple hundred kids or playing on big tours in front of much bigger crowds … we will be playing.
Dreams and Devotion: An interview with Strung Out’s Jason Cruz
For Strung Out’s Jason Cruz, art is more than just the music he’s known for. It’s the dreams and emotions he writes and paints as well.
For almost 30 years, Jason Cruz has been synonymous with the art he’s been crafting. That art of course, is his work as songwriter and vocalist for Simi Valley melodic punk rock outfit Strung Out, who since 1990, have been writing hard-hitting, emotionally-charged music that became part of the wave that brought punk’s into the mainstream consciousness in the mid-1990s. Strung Out’s three albums of that decade, 1994’s Another Day in Paradise, 1996’s Suburban Teenage Wasteland Blues, and 1998’s Twisted By Design, proved to be the perfect answer to those who sought out the deeper underground of punk that bellowed below the surface of Green Day’s Dookie and Offspring’s Smash.
For many listeners like myself, Strung Out and many of their Fat Wreck Chords and Epitaph brethren meant a world of new music wrapped in the subcultures of skateboarding, surfing, punk attitudes, and a vibrant urgency that echoed sounds of rebellion and independence. While pop culture acceptance for just about any form of art and music seems fleeting, Strung Out have never wavered from what they do; now three decades into their history and nine albums deep into an ever-impressive catalog. Songs of Armor and Devotion is perhaps the band’s finest work since they first burst onto the scene. Composed, yet still breathing fire, its tracks still exhibits that “debut album energy” but comes with the benefit of the wisdom of touring, writing, and experiencing the world three decades over.
However, for Jason Cruz, art is more than just Strung Out. He has quietly and not so quietly been honing his craft as an artist and a painter, coming to light on a musical front by painting the cover art to his band’s 2011 “Best Of” album Top Contenders: The Best of Strung Out, and NOFX’s 2013 EP Stoke Extinguisher. But one look at the wide spectrum of art he’s painted and you can see that it’s more than just album covers. His painted work, like his music, seems to come from the same passion and emotion that drives his lyrics and songwriting. Now he embarks on a new chapter as a children’s book writer, taking inspiration from his daughter to write There Are Such Things As In Your Dreams, a bedtime story born in dreams.
We spoke to Cruz not long after the release of the band’s new album to talk about the long-lasting influence of Strung Out and to discuss his art and how they share the same creative head space. We also spoke about his upcoming art exhibit and his new book and the toll and triumphs of the tour cycle.
Congrats on Songs of Armor and Devotion. It’s stellar work; how do you all feel about the release and response to the record?
Cruz: I’m glad people are digging the tunes. I’m anxious to get em out on the road and see what they turn into. See if I can keep up with RJ. It feels like another new level to explore.
But you’ve been busy with a lot of projects- tell us a little bit about the children’s book you have written? It was inspired by your daughter?
Cruz: The book is called There Are Such Things As In Your Dreams and it’s basically a bedtime story. My daughter just spoke the title one day as we hangin’ out having one of our talks and it stuck. I thought it was the most beautiful thing she ever said.
What’s the story of the book?
Cruz: It is basically a bedtime story trying to explain to a kid what the hell dreams are and how cool they can be. How the adventures you dream at night can only pale to the ones that await you when you wake kinda thing.
How long did it take to write and create the book?
Cruz: I worked on the story, which is more like a poem, and all the illustrations for just over two years. Anywhere I could set up and draw. In between shows, on planes, at the desk at home, wherever. Once I told the kid I was gonna do this book she made sure to ride me pretty hard about getting it done so she could take it to school and read it to the class.
What’s the approach like writing the book in comparison to writing songs for a new Strung Out record?
Cruz: Pretty similar process I guess since they both involve rhythm, flow and the use of imagery and imagination. With a song, it’s a collaborative process. Each member adds an element to construct this thing. With the book, it was all me. Inventing as I went along until I had enough elements to unify the idea as a whole. It’s a lot harder flying blind like that. I guess I kept this first attempt as simple as possible for that reason.
Where can we buy the new book?
Cruz: All the usual modern day outlets like Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Book Baby. It will also be available on my site as well.
I’m looking at some of your art and I like how different the pieces are. For instance, the difference in emotion, style with pieces like “Choke”, “Rise & Fall”, and “Church Fix”. What are some of the things that inspire your art and what were some of the inspirations behind these pieces?
Cruz: Oh I guess just the love of doing is what really inspires me. To be an artist. To challenge myself. To learn my craft and grow. I could never stick to a certain style or look very long because I’m just too moody I guess. I need the freedom to move around and explore. Always trying ‘get it right’ whatever that means.
Is creating art a completely private and solo process for you?
Cruz: Completely. I guess that’s why it can be so maddening at times and so fulfilling at the same time. Like what nerve do I have to even attempt this?!?! What is this whole art thing?!?! Is this good?!?! And somewhere in between all that doubt, there is joy and fun. Problem solving and improvisation.
What are some of the things when looking back at this 20+ year career with Strung Out do you hold as the most important to you? Is it the records? The consistency with the work or the influence you’ve had for listeners around the globe?
Cruz: To be able to keep living my life in a such a way is all I can ever hope for. Making true connections. As long as I am a good person, as long as I am good to my muse and never take anything for granted and always be awake and alive I am grateful.
Is there one album you look back as particularly important to the band and yourself? Say one that you felt like thing were heading in the right direction?
Cruz: For me, I’d have to say it was the pseudo acoustic record we did called Black Out the Sky. That record was super important in our development as a band and as human beings. It kinda loosened any restraints we thought we had and really showed our fans and ourselves the possibilities of our union as a whole.
I’ve always loved Suburban Teenage and Twisted By Design because I think both records hit at the right time for me (I grew up in Indonesia and discovering your music was a big part in who I was and am); plus I learned that bands could hit hard just as much as they sang with emotion- but I think Songs of Armor and Devotion is very much in the same vein. What was the songwriting process like for Songs of Armor… and when did you guys start writing the record?
Cruz: It all happened really quick. Once we set aside the time to write and record we wasted no time and the ideas all came very fast and effortlessly – for the most part. We had a lot of ‘pent up‘ energy and angst I guess you say.
I love the song “Crows”- did you feel like it was a great stand-alone song- were there reasons why you didn’t want to put it on a record?
Cruz: Who knows? Looking back I don’t even remember. It seemed like it didn’t really fit anywhere but it was too good to just let go, so yeah, that song is kinda like a sad pretty little island.
You’ve got an exhibit coming up in October that will showcase your art and your new children’s book. Is the process of creating a new exhibit the same for you as say, planning an upcoming tour? What can we look forward to at the exhibit?
Cruz: Luckily I have help from some really great people. I’ll be painting up until the last minute so any and all help is greatly needed and appreciated. Along with the illustrations from the book I will also have on display a series of new oil paintings.
Steve Caballero is also part of the exhibit, was it a natural process working together with Steve on this? How did this come together?
Cruz: Steve is a blossoming artist and a great human being. I guess I just got extremely lucky on this one.
Strung Out have a North American tour coming up with The Casualties. How’s life on the road these days, are you guys all still enjoying being on the road?
Cruz: Ask me that on the last week of the tour and you’ll get a different answer than now.
I got to see you guys twice the last couple of times you were down in Australia; will we see you here sometime next year?
Cruz: Yes, I believe something big is in the works for Spring.
Do you have a road map for the next few years or are you happy with playing things as they come?
Cruz: It’s more a map of the ocean and I am chained to the wheel.
Jason Cruz’s Fine Art Exhibition and children’s book launch takes place Friday, October 25th, 2019 at the Copro Nason Gallery in Los Angeles. Tickets can be booked here. More information can be found on Jason Cruz’s official website. Strung Out’s new album, Songs of Armor and Devotion, is out now on Fat Wreck Chords.
All Work and All Play: An interview with The Drowns
The Drowns prove that having the right work ethic goes a long way
It’s been a busy year for Seattle punks The Drowns. The band, whose individual histories stretch back some 20 years, are a rough and tumble blend of street punk bravado and positive attitude that found its footing with their 2018 debut album View From the Bottom. With tours, festivals, and new music already checked off in 2019, The Drowns put the “work” in working class rock n’ roll with no rest in sight. Fresh off the release of a new 7″ titled The Sound, the band are prepping for their first ever Japanese tour in October and are working on their new full-length album due in the near future.
On top of the globe trotting, the band will take part in this year’s Rock The Ship Festival, their label’s annual punk rock escapade on the high seas, anchoring a lineup that includes noted bands like Cock Sparrer, CJ Ramone, and Subhumans. We spoke to vocalist Aaron Rev about the new 7″, the terrific street punk anthem “The Bricks of Ol’ Rainier”, and what they’re looking forward to next to cap off an already packed 2019.
I really enjoyed the new 7”- how has the reception been, and how are you guys feeling about these new songs?
Rev: Thanks, I’m glad you enjoyed it. So far, so good. The reception has been incredible. And we love the new songs. We just got back from a month and a half tour, and the new jams went over great.
It sounds like the band is very in tune right now and that things have continued to go strong since the debut album?
Rev: Totally. We also have a pretty intense work ethic, so right when we are finished with something we are already working on what’s next. Just keeping the ball rolling.
The songs on the new 7” SOUND amazing- where did you guys record and produce the record?
Rev: We working with our brother Jesse O’Donnell from the band Noi!se at his studio the Autopsy Room in beautiful Tacoma WA. Working with Jesse was great. He’s a great guy, and a great engineer. He’s really got an ear for this type of music, and he pours his heart in to it.
What’s the story behind “The Bricks of Ol’ Rainier”?
Rev: I live in the south end of Seattle. Years ago I moved to a neighborhood called Georgetown. It was incredible. Tons of artists living in a kind of shitty area, just for cheap rent so they could keep creating. When I’d first moved there, it really was one of the greatest points in my life. I was surrounded by incredible people who inspired me to create. But, we all started to see the gentrification coming, because nothing that great could last forever. The Georgetown neighborhood has a huge building in the middle of it called Rainier Cold Storage, where they used to make and store Rainier Beer. They ended up tearing part of the building down, and for me that symbolized the beginning of the end of what we had. When they were tearing it down, I broke in at night and stole some bricks for the old building, and when I have them around, they serve as reminders to carry the spirit of what we once had along with me wherever I go.
You’ve been playing a bunch of shows over the last few months- how have they been? How are these new songs translating to the live setting?
Rev: The shows have been CRAZY! We’ve gotten tons of support and a great reception to all of the new material. It was a killer tour.
For those who may not be familiar yet, share with us a little history of the Drowns.
Rev: We were all friends in different bands, and we’ve all been in the game for 15-20 years a piece. Our respective bands started to slow down, so we all decided to start a project together. Also, not many bands we knew of were playing the style we wanted to play. So we got together, started writing, and just haven’t stopped.
Are you guys splitting time between Seattle and LA?
Rev: Our drummer Jake lives in LA so we just fly him back and fourth to accommodate, and we head down there. With the internet, it’s surprisingly easy to keep a long distance band going these days.
Speaking of Seattle, I saw on your Twitter that some of you were at a Sounders game- is soccer the sport of choice for The Drowns?
Rev: Totally. Huge soccer fans. MLS and Premier League. Some of us are big hockey fans too.
It’s funny because I felt that “The Bricks of Ol’ Rainier” has that stadium anthem feel to it (at least in my head), that its a great song for thousands of people to sing together.
Rev: Hell ya. I’ve worked with the Sounders in the past with my old band. I’d live to have The Downs work with them. It’d be a perfect fit.
Pirates Press has been releasing some great music this year; you guys are in great company. What were some of the reasons for choosing Pirates Press as the new home for your music?
Rev: First and foremost, they are incredible people over there. You be hard pressed to find any other label active right now that gives a shit as much as they do. They are hands on, they are passionate, and they care about the bands, and the music, and the fans. They are truly a great example of how a label should be run.
You were at Punk Rock Bowling this year- how was it? It’s such a massive looking festival from the outside- Did you guys have fun?
Rev: It was KILLER! The lineup this year was insane. The setup of the festival this year was perfect. And, we were crazy surprised when we started playing at 3:30pm and right after we hit that opening chord and turned around, there was a sea of people! We felt so humbled by how many people cane to see us. It was insane.
Are there already plans for a new full-length to follow View From the Bottom? What are the plans for the rest of the year?
Rev: We are definitely always working. So you can bet that you’ll hear about new material soon. But for now, we are going to hit Europe and Japan later this year. And keep on moving.