If timing is indeed everything, it has never been more perfect than right now for Orange County’s Over It. Riding a wave of great press and a shiny new record, this power-packed punk outfit has risen to heights only hinted at on their previous work. Silverstrand is more about a journey- a reflection of sorts. And as guitarist Nick Bailey explains, the band’s enthusiasm and energy couldn’t peak at a better time. Over It are outgrowing their boundaries as their present quickly becomes their future. They set simple goals at the start, but now have the stars to aim for.
Silverstrand has seen its share of delays and obstacles. With the album now finished, how does it feel to see the light at the end of tunnel so to speak?
Bailey: We are stoked! It feels amazing to be all finished. It’s always exciting to release an album but this one means a lot because we’ve stepped up all our efforts to try and make this the best release yet!
Were the delays and setbacks worth it and are you completely satisfied with the finished product?
Bailey: Totally! It does feel a little overdue because mentally we were ready to release in the fall but this did give us more time to focus our energy and try to really breakthrough with this one.
Were things made more complicated by the business?
Bailey: Yes and no. We have learned way more about the business side of it all and that has caused a few complications, but at the same time I think it’s important to experience that and this record wouldn’t be the same without all we have learned.
Was the approach to this album any different from your previous albums in terms of the process from start to finish?
Bailey: Actually this one felt more organized. We got to spend more time on pre-production, which really helped. We also went into this with way more ideas on the music side and the marketing side. We are super amped to have a street team and more funding to help advertise online and on the streets. This is a huge difference and we can’t wait to live it all out!
Your previous full-length, Timing Is Everything was such a breath of fresh air at a time when many bands were attempting that pop element, but you guys managed to pull it off better than anyone else. Are you guys worried at all, that you will never top that album in terms of quality and success?
Bailey: Thank you! [We’re] not worried. As we mature as musicians and people, I think our songwriting will only get better. We love to write and that will only help the quality of music. Plus, the more we are out touring, writing music and releasing records it will show kids what we are all about and hopefully allow us to gain more success.
Maybe that’s the way it should be, that any band’s earlier material is essentially the most honest and down to earth- something you can’t re-create.
Bailey: The music should always be honest no matter where you are in your career. I think honesty is something we will always have in our music. Our previous work just helps us learn how to deliver that element of honesty in new ways.
Does Silverstrand pack that same punch and power of emotion as your previous releases?
Bailey: Yes, I think if you liked Timing is Everything, you will like Silverstrand. We tried to go for more of a range in our songwriting this time in hopes to maximize the emotion that’s let out. I’d like to think this one packs a pretty solid punch.
You guys clearly have a strong element of pop flavor built into your music, yet you guys seem to avoid the criticism that most bands receive. Why is that do you think?
Bailey: Hmm, maybe because we are just ourselves. I don’t think you can listen to our music and say that sounds like this band or they stole that from. I mean we have tons of influences but we try to be as original as possible, always writing songs in our own way. We don’t follow anyone else’s formula, just our own.
The internet has been such an amazing tool for you guys. If the internet didn’t exist, do you think you guys would be in the same spot you are now as a band?
Bailey: I’d like to think so, I mean the Internet is huge but I think our work ethic and efforts go beyond that so we would just find other ways to hype it up. We wouldn’t give up until we found ways for people to hear us that’s for sure.
You’ve also have been exposed to the bad aspects of the internet as Silverstand was leaked on the web months ago. Does it worry you that album sales might suffer because of this?
Bailey: That’s a tough one. It kind of goes both ways, I mean, sure maybe we could sell a few more records if someone hadn’t gotten it online but at the same time we just want to be heard. If someone puts our album online and that gives some kid the opportunity to hear us when he or she may never have, then we back it. I don’t think it can really hurt us as long as people like what they hear and come out to our shows; we support the internet getting our music out there.
Is there any way of getting around the negative aspects of the internet when you’re using it so much as a promotional tool for the band? Is it a double-edged sword so to speak?
Bailey: Yeah it kind of is, I think there will always be a negative side. Not everyone will like our songs but really that’s ok. We don’t expect everyone too. Actually, it’s kind of a good thing in a way because for every person that wants to talk shit, then you know there are even more people that are stoked. We’re not too worried about it.
The artwork and layout of the album- what’s the story behind the theme?
Bailey: The layout is based on a journey. Much like the inspiration behind a lot of the songs the art is the visual representation of all the traveling we have done that inspires us. We really wanted to focus on the move out to California so the layout depicts everything along the way. We are really happy with the way everything came together. I think we united our love for the east coast, the west coast and everything in between.
A while back you guys recorded an acoustic split CD with Junction 18. Any plans to release any more acoustic songs in the future?
Bailey: We have more acoustic songs recorded and more yet to be recorded. We love doing acoustic stuff and plan to release some of the songs later this year along with some b-sides.
How has constant life on the road helped shape and mold the band?
Bailey: We would not be the people we are or the songwriters we are without all the tour experience. Being on the road has been very moral shaping and very valuable for us all. It really helps you put the world and your own life into perspective.
What about individually? How challenging is it to be on the road all the time?
Bailey: It can be very difficult sometimes especially when you are away from family, friends and loved ones. You really have to learn to let the bad in with the good. I know we have all felt like breaking down on tour but really it only makes you stronger. Besides, the sweet just ain’t as sweet without the sour.
You’re receiving interest from major labels and actually were close to signing with a major. Do you guys plan to sign with a major or stay with Lobster?
Bailey: As much as we love Lobster, this will be our last record with them. We are not sure of future label plans just yet but we should have a much better idea as the year moves forward. We are very excited about what is to come.
Several years ago, you guys were in college and decided to put that on hold to pursue your goals as a band. Talk about never looking back- that must feel pretty good, no?
Bailey: We all made a sacrifice and decided to put off school. I think school is important but at the same time we knew the music business is too demanding and we couldn’t do both. We had to follow our hearts this time. It feels good to be where we are but I don’t think it’s a never look back type situation. Some of us could still end up in a learning environment but certainly not till Over It has lived out all our hopes and dreams.
Dreams and Devotion: An interview with Strung Out’s Jason Cruz
For Strung Out’s Jason Cruz, art is more than just the music he’s known for. It’s the dreams and emotions he writes and paints as well.
For almost 30 years, Jason Cruz has been synonymous with the art he’s been crafting. That art of course, is his work as songwriter and vocalist for Simi Valley melodic punk rock outfit Strung Out, who since 1990, have been writing hard-hitting, emotionally-charged music that became part of the wave that brought punk’s into the mainstream consciousness in the mid-1990s. Strung Out’s three albums of that decade, 1994’s Another Day in Paradise, 1996’s Suburban Teenage Wasteland Blues, and 1998’s Twisted By Design, proved to be the perfect answer to those who sought out the deeper underground of punk that bellowed below the surface of Green Day’s Dookie and Offspring’s Smash.
For many listeners like myself, Strung Out and many of their Fat Wreck Chords and Epitaph brethren meant a world of new music wrapped in the subcultures of skateboarding, surfing, punk attitudes, and a vibrant urgency that echoed sounds of rebellion and independence. While pop culture acceptance for just about any form of art and music seems fleeting, Strung Out have never wavered from what they do; now three decades into their history and nine albums deep into an ever-impressive catalog. Songs of Armor and Devotion is perhaps the band’s finest work since they first burst onto the scene. Composed, yet still breathing fire, its tracks still exhibits that “debut album energy” but comes with the benefit of the wisdom of touring, writing, and experiencing the world three decades over.
However, for Jason Cruz, art is more than just Strung Out. He has quietly and not so quietly been honing his craft as an artist and a painter, coming to light on a musical front by painting the cover art to his band’s 2011 “Best Of” album Top Contenders: The Best of Strung Out, and NOFX’s 2013 EP Stoke Extinguisher. But one look at the wide spectrum of art he’s painted and you can see that it’s more than just album covers. His painted work, like his music, seems to come from the same passion and emotion that drives his lyrics and songwriting. Now he embarks on a new chapter as a children’s book writer, taking inspiration from his daughter to write There Are Such Things As In Your Dreams, a bedtime story born in dreams.
We spoke to Cruz not long after the release of the band’s new album to talk about the long-lasting influence of Strung Out and to discuss his art and how they share the same creative head space. We also spoke about his upcoming art exhibit and his new book and the toll and triumphs of the tour cycle.
Congrats on Songs of Armor and Devotion. It’s stellar work; how do you all feel about the release and response to the record?
Cruz: I’m glad people are digging the tunes. I’m anxious to get em out on the road and see what they turn into. See if I can keep up with RJ. It feels like another new level to explore.
But you’ve been busy with a lot of projects- tell us a little bit about the children’s book you have written? It was inspired by your daughter?
Cruz: The book is called There Are Such Things As In Your Dreams and it’s basically a bedtime story. My daughter just spoke the title one day as we hangin’ out having one of our talks and it stuck. I thought it was the most beautiful thing she ever said.
What’s the story of the book?
Cruz: It is basically a bedtime story trying to explain to a kid what the hell dreams are and how cool they can be. How the adventures you dream at night can only pale to the ones that await you when you wake kinda thing.
How long did it take to write and create the book?
Cruz: I worked on the story, which is more like a poem, and all the illustrations for just over two years. Anywhere I could set up and draw. In between shows, on planes, at the desk at home, wherever. Once I told the kid I was gonna do this book she made sure to ride me pretty hard about getting it done so she could take it to school and read it to the class.
What’s the approach like writing the book in comparison to writing songs for a new Strung Out record?
Cruz: Pretty similar process I guess since they both involve rhythm, flow and the use of imagery and imagination. With a song, it’s a collaborative process. Each member adds an element to construct this thing. With the book, it was all me. Inventing as I went along until I had enough elements to unify the idea as a whole. It’s a lot harder flying blind like that. I guess I kept this first attempt as simple as possible for that reason.
Where can we buy the new book?
Cruz: All the usual modern day outlets like Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Book Baby. It will also be available on my site as well.
I’m looking at some of your art and I like how different the pieces are. For instance, the difference in emotion, style with pieces like “Choke”, “Rise & Fall”, and “Church Fix”. What are some of the things that inspire your art and what were some of the inspirations behind these pieces?
Cruz: Oh I guess just the love of doing is what really inspires me. To be an artist. To challenge myself. To learn my craft and grow. I could never stick to a certain style or look very long because I’m just too moody I guess. I need the freedom to move around and explore. Always trying ‘get it right’ whatever that means.
Is creating art a completely private and solo process for you?
Cruz: Completely. I guess that’s why it can be so maddening at times and so fulfilling at the same time. Like what nerve do I have to even attempt this?!?! What is this whole art thing?!?! Is this good?!?! And somewhere in between all that doubt, there is joy and fun. Problem solving and improvisation.
What are some of the things when looking back at this 20+ year career with Strung Out do you hold as the most important to you? Is it the records? The consistency with the work or the influence you’ve had for listeners around the globe?
Cruz: To be able to keep living my life in a such a way is all I can ever hope for. Making true connections. As long as I am a good person, as long as I am good to my muse and never take anything for granted and always be awake and alive I am grateful.
Is there one album you look back as particularly important to the band and yourself? Say one that you felt like thing were heading in the right direction?
Cruz: For me, I’d have to say it was the pseudo acoustic record we did called Black Out the Sky. That record was super important in our development as a band and as human beings. It kinda loosened any restraints we thought we had and really showed our fans and ourselves the possibilities of our union as a whole.
I’ve always loved Suburban Teenage and Twisted By Design because I think both records hit at the right time for me (I grew up in Indonesia and discovering your music was a big part in who I was and am); plus I learned that bands could hit hard just as much as they sang with emotion- but I think Songs of Armor and Devotion is very much in the same vein. What was the songwriting process like for Songs of Armor… and when did you guys start writing the record?
Cruz: It all happened really quick. Once we set aside the time to write and record we wasted no time and the ideas all came very fast and effortlessly – for the most part. We had a lot of ‘pent up‘ energy and angst I guess you say.
I love the song “Crows”- did you feel like it was a great stand-alone song- were there reasons why you didn’t want to put it on a record?
Cruz: Who knows? Looking back I don’t even remember. It seemed like it didn’t really fit anywhere but it was too good to just let go, so yeah, that song is kinda like a sad pretty little island.
You’ve got an exhibit coming up in October that will showcase your art and your new children’s book. Is the process of creating a new exhibit the same for you as say, planning an upcoming tour? What can we look forward to at the exhibit?
Cruz: Luckily I have help from some really great people. I’ll be painting up until the last minute so any and all help is greatly needed and appreciated. Along with the illustrations from the book I will also have on display a series of new oil paintings.
Steve Caballero is also part of the exhibit, was it a natural process working together with Steve on this? How did this come together?
Cruz: Steve is a blossoming artist and a great human being. I guess I just got extremely lucky on this one.
Strung Out have a North American tour coming up with The Casualties. How’s life on the road these days, are you guys all still enjoying being on the road?
Cruz: Ask me that on the last week of the tour and you’ll get a different answer than now.
I got to see you guys twice the last couple of times you were down in Australia; will we see you here sometime next year?
Cruz: Yes, I believe something big is in the works for Spring.
Do you have a road map for the next few years or are you happy with playing things as they come?
Cruz: It’s more a map of the ocean and I am chained to the wheel.
Jason Cruz’s Fine Art Exhibition and children’s book launch takes place Friday, October 25th, 2019 at the Copro Nason Gallery in Los Angeles. Tickets can be booked here. More information can be found on Jason Cruz’s official website. Strung Out’s new album, Songs of Armor and Devotion, is out now on Fat Wreck Chords.
All Work and All Play: An interview with The Drowns
The Drowns prove that having the right work ethic goes a long way
It’s been a busy year for Seattle punks The Drowns. The band, whose individual histories stretch back some 20 years, are a rough and tumble blend of street punk bravado and positive attitude that found its footing with their 2018 debut album View From the Bottom. With tours, festivals, and new music already checked off in 2019, The Drowns put the “work” in working class rock n’ roll with no rest in sight. Fresh off the release of a new 7″ titled The Sound, the band are prepping for their first ever Japanese tour in October and are working on their new full-length album due in the near future.
On top of the globe trotting, the band will take part in this year’s Rock The Ship Festival, their label’s annual punk rock escapade on the high seas, anchoring a lineup that includes noted bands like Cock Sparrer, CJ Ramone, and Subhumans. We spoke to vocalist Aaron Rev about the new 7″, the terrific street punk anthem “The Bricks of Ol’ Rainier”, and what they’re looking forward to next to cap off an already packed 2019.
I really enjoyed the new 7”- how has the reception been, and how are you guys feeling about these new songs?
Rev: Thanks, I’m glad you enjoyed it. So far, so good. The reception has been incredible. And we love the new songs. We just got back from a month and a half tour, and the new jams went over great.
It sounds like the band is very in tune right now and that things have continued to go strong since the debut album?
Rev: Totally. We also have a pretty intense work ethic, so right when we are finished with something we are already working on what’s next. Just keeping the ball rolling.
The songs on the new 7” SOUND amazing- where did you guys record and produce the record?
Rev: We working with our brother Jesse O’Donnell from the band Noi!se at his studio the Autopsy Room in beautiful Tacoma WA. Working with Jesse was great. He’s a great guy, and a great engineer. He’s really got an ear for this type of music, and he pours his heart in to it.
What’s the story behind “The Bricks of Ol’ Rainier”?
Rev: I live in the south end of Seattle. Years ago I moved to a neighborhood called Georgetown. It was incredible. Tons of artists living in a kind of shitty area, just for cheap rent so they could keep creating. When I’d first moved there, it really was one of the greatest points in my life. I was surrounded by incredible people who inspired me to create. But, we all started to see the gentrification coming, because nothing that great could last forever. The Georgetown neighborhood has a huge building in the middle of it called Rainier Cold Storage, where they used to make and store Rainier Beer. They ended up tearing part of the building down, and for me that symbolized the beginning of the end of what we had. When they were tearing it down, I broke in at night and stole some bricks for the old building, and when I have them around, they serve as reminders to carry the spirit of what we once had along with me wherever I go.
You’ve been playing a bunch of shows over the last few months- how have they been? How are these new songs translating to the live setting?
Rev: The shows have been CRAZY! We’ve gotten tons of support and a great reception to all of the new material. It was a killer tour.
For those who may not be familiar yet, share with us a little history of the Drowns.
Rev: We were all friends in different bands, and we’ve all been in the game for 15-20 years a piece. Our respective bands started to slow down, so we all decided to start a project together. Also, not many bands we knew of were playing the style we wanted to play. So we got together, started writing, and just haven’t stopped.
Are you guys splitting time between Seattle and LA?
Rev: Our drummer Jake lives in LA so we just fly him back and fourth to accommodate, and we head down there. With the internet, it’s surprisingly easy to keep a long distance band going these days.
Speaking of Seattle, I saw on your Twitter that some of you were at a Sounders game- is soccer the sport of choice for The Drowns?
Rev: Totally. Huge soccer fans. MLS and Premier League. Some of us are big hockey fans too.
It’s funny because I felt that “The Bricks of Ol’ Rainier” has that stadium anthem feel to it (at least in my head), that its a great song for thousands of people to sing together.
Rev: Hell ya. I’ve worked with the Sounders in the past with my old band. I’d live to have The Downs work with them. It’d be a perfect fit.
Pirates Press has been releasing some great music this year; you guys are in great company. What were some of the reasons for choosing Pirates Press as the new home for your music?
Rev: First and foremost, they are incredible people over there. You be hard pressed to find any other label active right now that gives a shit as much as they do. They are hands on, they are passionate, and they care about the bands, and the music, and the fans. They are truly a great example of how a label should be run.
You were at Punk Rock Bowling this year- how was it? It’s such a massive looking festival from the outside- Did you guys have fun?
Rev: It was KILLER! The lineup this year was insane. The setup of the festival this year was perfect. And, we were crazy surprised when we started playing at 3:30pm and right after we hit that opening chord and turned around, there was a sea of people! We felt so humbled by how many people cane to see us. It was insane.
Are there already plans for a new full-length to follow View From the Bottom? What are the plans for the rest of the year?
Rev: We are definitely always working. So you can bet that you’ll hear about new material soon. But for now, we are going to hit Europe and Japan later this year. And keep on moving.