Since their debut full-length, Beneath Medicine Tree in 2003, Copeland have never looked back. With the ability to pen the romanticized while generating genuine emotions and enthusiasm, they have moved even the most lukewarm of audiences. So with their sophomore release, In Motion, seeing its fair amount of pre-release fanfare, expectations were undoubtedly higher. While such lofty expectations tend to lead to the sacrificing of integrity, it was never once an option for the members of Copeland.
“We are all really proud of the record,” explains guitarist Bryan Laurenson. “When we recorded it, we tried not to let any outside expectations influence us,” he adds. “Now that it has just come out, we are the same way, we know it might not live up to everyone’s hopes and we have to be ready for that.”
Being ready as well as prepared is something Copeland understands clearly. Even though they were keen to make sure no one else’s expectations influence their direction musically, the band understood they couldn’t just release another, Beneath Medicine Tree. It was clear from the beginning that they had to deliver something that represented their growth and progression over the past few years;
“I think we all feel that In Motion is a more mature and stronger effort than Beneath Medicine Tree,” states Laurenson. “Musically it is more textured and thought out. I feel like it is a huge step,” he adds. “I think both musically and lyrically it is a mature progression from the last [album].”
Lyrically, things are indeed a little different this time around. Beneath Medicine Tree was extremely personal and wretched for lead man Aaron Marsh. Now at a different stage in his life, the lyrics have shifted, and that, according to Laurenson, isn’t necessarily such a bad thing;
“Aaron wrote most of the lyrics to the last record while going through some hard tragedies. This time around, he didn’t have the same things to write about. On the surface, In Motionmight not seem as personal or obvious … and I suppose it isn’t. I think that if you dig into it more though, the record actually has more depth.”
In Motion also finds the band tinkering and experimenting with the instrumentation more than ever providing that depth Laurenson mentioned. This wasn’t really planned though; it was just kind of how things went when the band entered the studio to record the album.
“It was a little more spur of the moment [the experimenting with instrumentation],” explains Laurenson, “Whenever we record, spontaneity seems to play more a part than careful planning,” he adds. “We usually have a rough idea of the direction we want a song to go in. From there, we just let it come out naturally and in the end, sometimes it isn’t what we originally intended at all.”
While the majority of the overall experimentation just kind of fell into place neatly for the band, the altering of tones and styles were achieved a in a different way; “The guitar tones were a little more deliberate,” says Laurenson, “We wanted each song to sound different. We wanted the record to be dramatic sonically, and yet be cohesive at the same time.”
In Motion is definitely cohesive and interconnected as the album boasts a splendid continuity from beginning to end. And it’s not like the band had a lot of time think about these changes as they basically spent two straight years on the road. A lot of time spent playing shows held the band back from essential songwriting time but on the contrary, they were able to draw inspiration from their time spent traveling.
“Musically it is more of a hindrance [touring] for us,” says Laurenson. “We have a harder time writing on the road and when it came time to record In Motion, Aaron and I holed ourselves up in a hotel room for a few days to piece together different parts that had been written on the road.”
As difficult as it was to find time putting together the album, as well as playing shows night after night, the band didn’t want to take any compromises and found time for even the little things. The band takes a lot of pleasure and satisfaction in being in touch with all aspects of putting an album together piece by piece- bassist, James Likeness, designed the artwork and layout for the release.
“James does pretty much all the artwork for the band,” explains Laurenson. “We take a lot of pride in the finished product … we are responsible for not just how we sound, but also how we look.” Laurenson feels this a tremendous advantage having one of their own able to contribute in such creative aspects. “I think we are just lucky that we have a great graphic designer in the band. It is something he loves to do, and it just seems natural for him to do it. Not all bands have the luxury of that.”
The creative side of Copeland ranges far past artwork and design as the band released a covers EP, Know Nothing Stays The Same, last summer before the current release of In Motion; “We spent a couple of weeks just randomly brainstorming songs to cover,” explains Laurenson. “We came up with a lot of songs that were older and we wanted to choose songs that we could put our own spin on,” the band however, hasn’t received any feedback yet from their inspirations; [Laughter] “I don’t think we have heard anything from them,” laughs Laurenson. “I wish though … that would be amazing,” he adds. “Even if they hated our version … it would still be cool to hear from them.”
They recently contributed a piano powered cover of “Every Breath You Take” for the Police Tribute album released by their label, The Militia Group. Laurenson explains how the preparation of preparing these songs really just works itself out;
“We usually figure out what direction we want to take the song. Then we just go for it and see where the initial direction takes us. We don’t do a lot of planning.”
Whether Copeland does a lot of planning or not, they realize that they have to think about what may come next. As much as we would like to live in the now, it is human nature to think about our future all the time. With big time success usually come significant and important changes and decisions. With major labels definitely licking their chops at the possibility of benefiting from the success of Copeland, the guys are doing their best to just play music and let things like signing to a major label take its course naturally.
“Nothing is in the works at the moment,” says Laurenson. “We want to share our music with as many people as possible. We also want to make wise choices at the same time, so I guess we will see…”
We sure will.
The Down and Dirty: An interview with The Aggrolites
We chat to “dirty reggae” kings The Aggrolites about their new record Reggae Now!
It’s been a long time between records for Los Angeles reggae band The Aggrolites. 8 years to be exact. After countless albums and endless days on the road, the band felt like it was the right time to step away from the grind of writing, recording, touring. But the extended break between records meant the band just had time to get some air, recuperate and find the charge that would ignite that next spark. That next spark ended up becoming Reggae Now!, a collection of the band’s signature “dirty reggae” sound, packed with life-affirming songs about hope and positivity. And while the album isn’t afraid to challenge and question the current landscape we find ourselves in, it doesn’t shy away from having a good time.
The record has received some lavish praise, with noted filmmaker, DJ, and Big Audio Dynamite co-founder Don Letts saying; “Their tunes perfectly echo the human chemistry you can hear in those early Jamaican productions. The band’s old-school analog sound totally captures the spirit of the music I grew up on“. While Specials vocalist/guitarist Lynval Golding has said; “This is THE album.“
It’s easy to say that one of the most influential bands of modern American reggae is back. But the truth is, they never left. In between stops of their current North American tour, we had a chance to chat with vocalist and guitarist Jesse Wagner about Reggae Now!, how it feels to have written the record on their own time, and the significance of reggae music in America.
Congrats on the new record; how does feel now that it’s out?
It feels awesome. We are beyond stoked to see how positive the vibes are coming from all the fans old and new.
It was a long time between records- 8 years. It was the right time to take a break after 2011?
We felt so. We were going hard on the road for a good decade. I think 250 days a year can wear anyone out. We never quit though. We just needed some time to do our own thing with our families and friends back at home.
How did Reggae Now! come together- was there a spark that got you guys back into the writing process?
It just felt like the right time. We had talked about it for a while and when it happened it just worked.
Was this the first time you had the chance to write and record an album without the pressure of label deadlines? How did it feel that you could just write Reggae Now! on your own time- the way you want to 100%?
Yes it was. And it felt really chill and relaxing knowing that time was on our side. I wouldn’t have had it any other way.
How did you connect and end up working with Pirates Press Records? It seems like a great fit- plus their roster of artists is incredible.
I’ve known Skippy for a long time now and have been a fan of what he has been doing with Pirates Press for years. Playing the style of music we play isn’t necessarily an easy target to market. We knew Skippy and Pirates Press would know exactly what to do with our album and are all grateful for them.
For those who may not be too familiar with the Aggrolites- share with us a little bit of your history and how the band came to be?
We’ve been around since 2002. We all pretty much come from the same scene in Los Angeles and all have the same love and passion for old school Jamaican music. With that passion, the band has managed to keep it going ever since.
How has the tour been so far? You guys are hitting cities all across the US until August; how is touring and getting to meet and perform for the fans now than, say, back in 2002?
It’s been an amazing run so far. If anything, things are getting better. I think with the internet it’s easier for people to find out about certain genres of music. We’ve been getting a lot of positive feedback.
I love the video for “Pound for Pound”- where did you shoot it? How was it?
It was filmed in the San Fernando Valley at an equipment rental spot called Zio. Our friend Josh Rousch was the director and mastermind behind the whole thing. We had a blast filming it. So much fun and we were stoked to have some Aggro fans involved in the video also. That was a first.
Let’s talk about reggae- because it’s such an important genre of music (in my view) and I think some people only see it in one color. But there’s a lot of history and culture- how did you discover reggae and what are some of the most important aspects of the music and culture to you and the band?
I found out about reggae probably like the majority of the American youth from the early 1990s; punk rock and Two-Tone. The thing that got me stuck on it was how tuff of a sound it is, but at the same time so beautiful. It is by far the most interesting music I’ve ever gotten into. I love how they sang about social issues going down on their small Island, but how powerful the lyrics would be in relating to people all over the world.
Reggae, and ska and rocksteady seem to have a close relationship with punk. You guys have toured with and are close to many punk bands; what is it about the two genres that make sense and connects?
I believed it all goes back to the late 1960s when reggae became popular with the working class in the UK. It’s music for the people. Songs about struggle and overcoming it. Very rebellious music also. I believe Don Letts said it best that reggae was the soundtrack to the punk rock scene throughout the late 1970s.
How important do you think music of good vibes is in today’s world? I think maybe the world could use a little more Reggae Now.
I thank you for saying that and agree 100%. We’ve always said we are “Feel Good” music. Sometimes it’s nice to just play a record and have a good time. Especially in this day and age. There is a lot of corruption going on and hopefully, we can ease people’s minds from negativity with our album.
The Aggrolites’ new album, Reggae Now!, is available via Pirates Press Records.
Everything Will Be Alright: An interview with Ogikubo Station
There is great joy in simple chords and simple melodies. It is, after all, the feeling of comfort that these things often bring. Comfort from the day’s burdens, comfort from the issues that disappoint us, comfort when the sunsets bring us joy. Ogikubo Station, the music project of Maura Weaver (of Ohio punks Mixtapes) and Mike Park (of Asian Man Records), is that kind of comfort. It is music that makes us think of the week we’ve just had, music that makes us want to do better in our every day, and music that makes us laugh, cry, and sing-a-long.
Fresh off the release of a new 7” EP Okinawan Love Songs, we chat to Maura and Mike about the new songs, making music from distances, and how Ogikubo Station came to be. The chat was a reminder that music can be the result of many things and many reasons. Some simple, some more complicated. It was also a reminder that if we’ve got the music, then maybe, just maybe, everything will be alright in the end.
You released your full length We Can Pretend Like last year- was there a catalyst that sparked getting back into the writing and recording again so quickly?
Maura: I think Mike just called me and said do you want to come out to California and do some songwriting, and then while I was out there he booked two days in the studio and said “Guess what? We’re gonna record a 7 inch.”
Mike: Is that what happened? Haha. I can’t remember. I know we had “Would I Break My Heart Enough For You” written and we were playing it live, so I thought “let’s just add a couple more songs and release a fun 7 inch.”
Did you write these songs the same way you’ve written in the past; from a distance?
Mike: Not this time. Since it was only a few songs we just rehearsed for a day and then recorded.
Does that process ever get easier, being quite far apart?
Maura: Not really. I prefer being able to collaborate in person and I believe that’s the plan for the next record. We started writing 4 new songs aside from what’s on this 7 inch to go towards the next Ogikubo full length.
Mike: Yeah, it’s not the best case scenario, but I’ve been doing with a lot of different projects over the years. Sending mixes and vocal parts and asking various friends to guest on records, so it’s not that bad actually.
How was having Dan (Andriano) play bass on this EP? Will you be working with him again in the future?
Mike: I’ve known Dan since he was a teenager, so I just called him and said “Dan, I’m gonna send you a couple of songs for you to play bass on” and he was like “okay”. He has his own home studio and he’s kind of a gear head, so I knew it would be easy for him to do. I’d love to do more stuff with him, but I guess we’ll see.
Maura: Heck yes! I’ve been an Alkaline Trio fan since I was 14, so this is all kind of geeking out excitement for me.
For those who are new to Ogikubo Station – tell us how you ended up collaborating together?
Mike: Maura, you want to tell it?
Maura: Sure. So I was visiting the San Francisco/Oakland area where my sister lives and we were hanging out with my friend Danielle Bailey who is also friends with Mike. Danny had posted some photos of us hanging and Mike called Danny and said: “ask Maura if she would record a song with me”. So we drove to San Jose and we recorded a song called “Weak Souls Walk Around Here” and that was it. Just a one-time thing.
Mike: And at that time I believe I told Maura I’d like to put out her solo album and so for the next 2 years I would bug her every couple months to see how it was going and she would say “oh, I’m still working on it”. And then I finally said “hey, let’s start a project together” and thus Ogikubo Station was born.
How many bands are you in now Mike?
Mike: Kitty Kat Fan Club, Ogikubo Station, Bruce Lee Band …are the only ones that play, but I’m working on a couple of new projects. Always doing music.
Maura, how different has it been with Ogikubo Station than say, writing and recording with Mixtapes? Do the different processes give you new ways to write and approach songwriting?
Maura: I guess the biggest difference is the distance factor and that Ogikubo is not a full-time band. Mixtapes was my first real band and it was at a time in my life when everything was a first. First tour, first record, first van, the first van breaking down. I was still in my teens with Mixtapes and we all lived in Cincinnati. So it’s very different with Ogikubo. It’s hard to explain fully, but both bands have definitely been influential in different ways. But the basic idea of writing a melody over a strummed guitar chord is the same no matter the situation.
I love the TMBG cover on the new EP, and the fact that you chose to keep it lo-fi—what are some of the other bands you say would have directly led to the music and songwriting of Ogikubo Station?
Mike: I guess I’ve been listening to a lot of 80’s bands as of late and just kind of falling in love again with bands like Hoodoo Gurus, the Replacements, REM, and then newer bands like ALVVAYS, PUP, and Laura Stevenson. I’m always just looking for a good melody and some lyrics that aren’t filler bullshit.
Maura: I listen to so much music. From Kate Bush, TMBG, Desmond Dekker, Operation Ivy, to Beyonce and Taylor Swift. It’s hard to say what influences Ogikubo Station, but those are some bands I’ve been listening to lately.
Mike, I know on Twitter recently you’ve expressed your frustration and anger at a lot of the political things that are happening in the US (hopefully that’s not the cause of those grey hairs!) – but as songwriters, do you feel that it’s more important than ever to provide listeners with fuel to fight for equality and kindness, or do you feel that its just as important to provide an escape through music?
Mike: I’ve always felt music is political even when you aren’t trying to make it political. The sounds fuel the soul, creates the body to move and puts you in moods that you may not even realise are happening. Music has been my solace when it comes to expression and emotion. An outlet to get my ideas across in an artistic and productive manner. I don’t feel it’s imperative to be overtly political. I try not to shove politics down your throat, but if something comes to mind and I write about it and it happens to be classified as political, so be it.
Maura, you did the artwork for the new EP, an illustration of your Okinawan grandmother. The art is beautiful, can you tell us a little bit about your art and how you came into illustrating?
Maura: I’ve always enjoyed illustrating and painting. Creating art: With a guitar or a brush or a pen/ pencil. I wanted to draw my grandmother and give it to her as a present. When Mike saw the drawing he asked if we could use it for the 7-inch cover. It wasn’t meant to be the cover, but after mike brought it up I said of course.
What are some of the things you’re looking forward to on this UK tour? You guys are going all over England, and then to Wales, and then Scotland.
Mike: Sadly I’m not going on the tour this time due to some hearing damage I have sustained, but I’m still going to Brighton for a wedding, so I will be there for 3 days. And I’ll try to do every stereotypical British thing. TEA/MILK/FISH/CHIPS/MUSHY PEAS.
Maura: Getting to travel with my best friend Megan is the most exciting part of this UK tour. She’s never been before and that makes it that much more special being able to share this experience together. We are both Vegan/Vegetarian and one of our favorite things to do is eat, so we’ll checking out the different vegan spots in every city. And just meeting new friends, seeing old friends, and Edinburgh. I can’t wait to go to Edinburgh.
Is there a new full length on the horizon?
Mike: I’d like to work on one next year. I’m tapped out for this year. I’m gonna work on some new Bruce Lee Band stuff next and then I have a couple of other collaborations, but hopefully sometime next year we can start the process for the next full length.
Maura: That sounds good to me. It will give me a chance to keep writing songs.